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credit - who gets it

ok. let me say at the outset I have no intention of pursuing this, I just feel the need to share, facepalm, and maybe bang my head into the keyboard a little.

So over at the icon game ncis_contest, they just posted the challenge for this week:
This week, since I'm time-challenged, we're going to do a lyrics contest. You can use any NCIS photo or screencap for your icon, but it must have some of the following lyrics on it: I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain -Jeff Buckley- (with lyrics following)

It is a great song. But this pushes a big button for me. You can prefer a particular version of a song, but you *can't* attribute it to the cover artist. It's wrong, and this is in the icon community - a community becoming infamous for instances of the icon maker, every brush maker and and sometimes also the blank makers all insisting on being credited on a single icon (which is, after all, in most cases made from someone else's photo or film.)

I left this message:
great song - by TIM Buckley, though
(Sorry, I work with musicians, and it's a pet peeve of mine to see songs attributed to the cover singers, ((even if it is his son.)) It happened in three of my icon games! If I seem overly cranky think about this - do you ask for credit if someone uses your icons?)

And I received this message right away:
There's a change in the lyrics there from the Tim Buckley version, which is why it's attributed to Jeff. S'all. It's one thing if I was using the original, but I'm not. So, it's going to remain Jeff.

OK -- I find that answer offensive, at least in it's tone. I think I tried to keep my own tone civil.

Just because I can, I am going to post the Tim Buckley lyrics as I just pulled them off the web (I am holding the LP on my lap, but the lyric is just as I remember it. I have it playing in my itunes as well, looking for any differences. So far I am not spotting them.

As I said, not going anywhere with this, but here in my own journal I want to say - it pisses me off. We write fanfic, we make vids, we make icons, and other fan art, and we want credit - a valid desire - for our work, inspiration, interpretation, and execution. But we don't claim what isn't ours.

I may be overly sensitive to this because I work with musicians. And I see Folk, Americana and singer-songwriter dismissed as not important. I have run into this repeatedly. Great versions, seminal versions - ok. Authorship? no.

Jeff Buckley did not write his dad's songs. Sarah McLaughlin did not write Lightfoot's Song For A Winter's Night. Rufus, however good, did not write Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah. Bette Midler did not write Julie Gold's From a Distance or Wind Beneath my Wings.

Ok, so we are *not* going to pick a fight in the community. But will someone tell me what amazing change I am missing in these lyrics:



I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain
-Tim Buckley- on Goodbye And Hello

O I never asked to be your mountain
I never asked to fly
Remember when you came to me
And told me of his lies
You didn’t understand my love
You don’t know why I try
And the rain was falling on that day
And damn the reason why

The flying pisces sails for time
And tells me of my child
Wrapped in bitter tales and heartache
He begs for just a smile
O he never asked to be her mountain
He never asked to fly
And through his eye he comes his love
And tells her not to cry

She says, your scoundrel father flies
With a dancer called a queen
And with her stolen cards he plays
And laughs, but never wins
O the child dreams to be his hands
In the counting of the rain
But only barren breasts he feels
For her milk will never drain

As I die I can’t remember
Where I saw the rain:
Could it be that her laughter
Drove me down again?
Charming dancer will you stop,
Stop and talk to me?
Is there someone else you feel
In your dreams? you will, you see:
In midnight gazes
I’ve found you far from me:
If you lead me on
Please leave me down

O flying flying fish
Please flutter by my door:
Yes you can drink my lies
If first you read my eyes:
Each one is titled
I’m drowning back to you:
I can’t swim your waters
And you can’t walk my lands:
I’m sailing all my sins
And I’m climbing all my fears
And soon now I’ll fly

O I never asked to be your mountain
I never asked to fly
Remember when you came to me
And told me of his lies
You didn’t understand my love
You don’t know why I try
And the rain was falling on that day
And that’s the reason why

Sweet lover, will you come back
And love me for a while?
Please take my hand
Leave all your fears behind
I’ve been gone too long
Now I’m home to stay
Please don’t leave me
Again this way

Please come home

*****

I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain
(as posted) -Jeff Buckley-

o i never asked to be your mountain
i never asked to fly
remember when you came to me
and told me of his lies
you didn't understand my love
you don't know why i try
and the rain was falling on that day
and damn the reason why

the flying pisces sails for time
and tells me of my child
wrapped in bitter tales and heartache
he begs for just a smile
o he never asked to be her mountain
he never asked to fly
and through his eye he comes his love
and tells her not to cry

she says, "your scoundrel father flies
with a dancer called a queen
and with her stolen cards he plays
and laughs, but never wins"
o the child dreams to be his hands
in the counting of the rain
but only barren breasts he feels
for her milk will never drain

as i die i can't remember
where i saw the rain:
could it be that her laughter
drove me down again?
charming dancer will you stop,
stop and talk to me?
is there someone else you feel
in your dreams? you will, you see:
in midnight gazes
i've found you far from me:
if you lead me on
please leave me down

o flying flying fish
please flutter by my door:
yes you can drink my lies
if first you read my eyes:
each one is titled
"i'm drowning back to you"
i can't swim your waters
and you can't walk my lands:
i'm sailing all my sins
and i'm climbing all my fears
and soon now i'll fly

o i never asked to be your mountain
i never asked to fly
remember when you came to me
and told me of his lies
you didn't understand my love
you don't know why i try
and the rain was falling on that day
and that's the reason why

sweet lover, will you come back
and love me for a while?
please take my hand
leave all your fears behind
i've been gone too long
now i'm home to stay
please don't leave me
again this way

please come home
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